Talk:Chrissie Wellington

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Brett Sutton

I added the Controversy section which mentions her relationship to controversial coach Brett Sutton. This connection is verifiable and also his criminal record is verifiable. This connection is considered one of the biggest controversies in current Ironman society: world champion is coached by a convicted child molestor. In any sport and especially in Ironman this information should be part of the neutral and objective definition. Wikipedia is not a PR machine for athletes but an objective presentation of information as they are and surely their relationship is considered extremely controversial.NikolaT (talk) 21:43, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

NikolaT, I removed the section because it was a clear violation of WP:BLP. See the sentence in the banner above about "Controversial material that is unsourced or poorly sourced". I suggest you follow the link and read the whole policy page.

There are several other reasons why your addition was inappropriate. Among these are:

This material (if it can be modified to remove the policy problems) really belongs in the Brett Sutton article, where it can be put in context. (The Sutton article itself is currently in a really dreadful state, concentrating as it does on only one aspect of his life and career, and dealing inadequately with that one aspect.)
You cannot infer that because A supports B over some subject X, therefore A supports B over some unrelated subject Y. Apart from being a logical fallacy, it also violates WP policy on no original research and in particular synthesis of published material which advances a position.
This is an article about Chrissie Wellington, not Brett Sutton.
Even assuming the material contained no policy violations, it was in the wrong place in the article. There might be room in the article for a new section dealing with CW's training methods, nutrition, equipment, and so on (which are unusual, so worth mentioning), and within that section a very carefully worded sentence or two on her relationship with Sutton.

--NSH001 (talk) 22:43, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your explanation. Since I follow the Ironman scene I am aware of the issue but you are right and I do agree with you. I also agree that Brett Sutton article needs revision. I have added his criminal record to add balance to his previous unique focus only on his most recent career. I will try to find documents which are proof of the controversy or will write an article about it myself and have it published and hopefully that can be a writen document of the controversy. All Brett Sutton athletes are very supportive of him and do advertise him heavily, this is unique and strange and is enough for it to be controversial and is considered as such but there is a lack of internet documentation of this behaviour. NikolaT (talk) 16:54, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

audio/video interviews

There are now so many audio and video interviews that it is no longer possible or desirable to list them all in the article (and this has been the case for some time). Accordingly I have removed the following links from the "External links" section. Some of them might possibly be useful as references in the future, and I think it useful to have them here for the record.

Interviews

Richard Hancock (20 October 2007). "BBC Norfolk interview". BBC. Retrieved 2008-04-09. (audio, 9:44)
"Interview with Chrissie Wellington". Competitor Radio. 1 November 2007. Retrieved 2010-09-25. (audio, approx 72 mins)
"Episode 85 Ironman Talk - Chrissie Wellington". Ironman Talk. 12 November 2007. Retrieved 2008-04-10. (podcast)
"Simply STU interview #67". simplystu.com. 9 February 2008. Retrieved 2008-04-09. (podcast)
Kevin Mackinnon (2008-07-04). "Ironman Life radio podcast" (mp3). ironman.com. Retrieved 2008-07-12. (audio, 15:34) interview before 2008 IM Frankfurt
"Episode 125 Ironman Talk - Chrissie Wellington". Ironman Talk. 1 September 2008. Retrieved 2008-10-07. (podcast)

I still have the feeling that it would be useful to have a list of such interviews in the article, but what criteria should be used for selection?

--NSH001 (talk) 20:40, 4 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

note

I have broken the habit of a wiki-lifetime, and added a sentence to the lead about Chrissie's work on gender inequality, which is neither sourced nor (yet) supported by any text in the article body. This was prompted by the petition she has initiated, with Marianne Vos, Emma Pooley and Kathryn Bertine for women to be given equal treatment in the Tour de France.

I intend to add a fuller treatment of this subject in the future (it goes far beyond the TdF petition), but for the time being I can only edit intermittently, for short periods only. Please be patient.

--NSH001 (talk) 14:42, 26 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]